OHH, CYANIDE. ENOUGH TO KILL ALL THE PEOPLE IN DUGWAY."

More charges today of unsafe practices at Dugway Proving Ground... from a man who once was in charge of safety for the biological weapons prgram.

Last night we broke the story of a whistleblower who claims there was such poor security a decade ago that it would have been easy to smuggle Anthrax germs off the base.

The Army today finally responded.

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The Army says all Anthrax is accounted for and Dugway security is recognized as "the best possible... a model for other agencies".

The Army's written statement only addresses the situation today and specifically does not respond to allegations about past practices.

The Army says all personnel undergo numerous daily security checks and operate on the "Buddy System."

That's to ensure no one will access biological materials without being monitored.

Dr. Gerhard Bienek ("GAIR-HARD BEE-neck") made a number of other startling allegations in our exclusive interview. Among them, he says there was a pattern of deception and even outright lies to the state of Utah. Environment Specialist John Hollenhorst joins us with more.

First, we should emphasize, it's been many years since Bienek worked at Dugway. He left in 1993. And his credibility might be questioned because he admits frequent clashes with his superiors. But he says it's because he was fighting unsafe and illegal practices.

It wasn't unusual for workers at Dugway to break the rules and mislead public officials... according to Gerhard Beinek.

Dr. Gerhard Bienek, Ph.D./Former Bio-safety chief: "COMMON. ALL THE TIME. ALL THE TIME."

He says on one occasion, when he was chief of Bio Safety in 1989 and 90, toxic materials were illegally disposed of in a dumpster.

"WHAT KIND OF TOXIC SUBSTANCES?" A: "OHH, CYANIDE. ENOUGH TO KILL ALL THE PEOPLE IN DUGWAY. LARGE AMOUNTS." Q: "RIGHT INTO THE DUMPSTER?" A: RIGHT INTO THE DUMPSTER."

He says he was angered by an incident at a regular monthly meeting of Dugway officials.They agreed to sign a letter to the Utah Governor, promising Dugway would abide by an agreement to have only laboratory amounts of Anthrax.

GERHARD BIENEK, PH.D./FORMER BIO-SAFETY CHIEF: "YOU'RE TALKING 5 OR 10 MILLIGRAMS. EXTREMELY SMALL AMOUNTS..." "HE SIGNED IT. AND THEN RIGHT AT THE SAME MOMENT THEY STARTED, 'WELL WE NEED TO PRODUCE 30 GALLONS ANTHRAX'... " "I SAID, 'FOLKS! HERE TO THE GOVERNOR, THE HEAD OF STATE, YOU'RE WRITING TO HIM, 'NOT MORE THAN LABORATORY AMOUNTS.' AND HERE YOU PROPOSE TO MAKE 30 GALLONS OF ANTHRAX? DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG?' "

He claims Dugway had certain deadly germs that were forbiddden by formal agreements between the Army and the state.

GERHARD BIENEK, PH.D./FORMER BIO-SAFETY CHIEF: "AND YOU JUST DON'T LIE TO THE PUBLIC! I MEAN A REPUTABLE MAN JUST DOESN'T LIE TO THE PUBLIC!! BECAUSE IT IS THE DOCTORS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH THAT HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO TREAT ANY OUTBREAK."

Again, the Army has chosen not to address any of Bienek's specific allegations. But they insist security and safety is tight, and even tighter since September 11th.